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Yani Says:
August 30th, 2010 at 7:46 am

Interesting. I had this experience first hand. I have been climbing for 3.5 years with 1 year off due to an injury. When I came back to climbing I decided I was not gonna follow anymore, I wanted to lead. I was scared and I’m still scared, but I feel confident with practice. Now, I want to go out climbing with my husband who knows the basics of climbing. Never climbed outdoors and pretty scared to do so. I teach climbing and I’m also a guide, but I’m not quite sure how to handle this. Should I take him out and make him learn? Should I allow for him to go with the flow and learn if he wants to? I know I will need my partner to catch a fall sometime on one of our trips. What to do? Thank you Arno!!!
Tom Says:
August 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

Not sure whatever this is too traditional but maybe this is the way to go:
1) Lead at the gym – falls here are minor and safe – good practice
2) Lead closely bolted sport routes outside – same as 1) but outside and falls can be a bit longer
3) Lead more bolted routes but with less bolts
4) Lead “G” trad few grades easier than best top-rope
5) Move forward to harder trad as desired

I myself need more practice falling in some safe place. Also you need to climb a lot outside on top rope to get “confidence”. When on lead you need to be sure that stuff will work or you hesitate… At least I do. So I need to practice a lot of moves on top rope so that when on lead I recognize patterns and know that things will work + do it. One difference between me and an experienced climber is that he/ she knows what to do right away while I waste energy trying things out
Arno Says:
August 30th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

Hi Yani, I think Tom made some helpful suggestions. Beyond that you need to just make sure you are taking small steps. You need to allow your partner to take his learning process at his own pace. You can make some suggestions about small steps he can take. We’ll be getting into the falling process soon, which will give you some ideas on how it fits into learning to lead. Thanks for your comments. Arno
Louise Says:
August 30th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

Hi
I learnt to climb in the UK – a few sessions indoors top-roping then straight outdoors. Not many people I climbed with in England sport climbed so I learnt to lead on trad routes – firstly practising placing gear whilst on the ground, learning from taking gear out on second, then leading really really easy routes and building. I had friends that were uncomfortable leading at the indoor gym that were trad leaders and not used to bolts and steepness!
Now I am in Australia and sport climb much more and always lead in the gym – both have hugely improved my confidence and technique on steeper walls. Here I know many people that have never trad climbed, can lead very hard sport routes but steer clear of easy trad, even on second! I guess it depends on how you learn and what works for you but start leading early on easy stuff would be my advice supplemented with improving technique on harder topropes that you don’t want to lead fall on. And climbing as much as you can… I too still need to improve my ability to take falls…
Scott Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 12:31 pm

When I started climbing at the gym and watching climbing videos, I knew that I wanted to climb outside and eventually lead, even though I wasn’t quite sure what that all entailed. In order to get outside and get some good instruction, I joined a local climbing club. The club encourages folks to learn to sport lead on their own through programs at the local gyms, which is what I did. When it comes to traditional leading, they require sport leading experience before allowing someone to take the intermediate class which has the climber following an experienced leader. We then encourage that climber to both lead with an experienced climber following them as well as following an experienced leader.

I really like this approach because, like Tom said, it allows the novice climber to get a feel for falling, leading, and dealing with the head game that comes along with being on the sharp end.

I sport lead first, followed an experienced leader numerous times, took a class, and then began trad leading. But honestly, I feel far more comfortable leading trad than sport.
Joe Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 2:04 pm

I really don’t think there’s a timeline that has to be factored in to leading. Some people just know they want to be on the sharp end of the rope. If they understand and can demonstrate safe technique on lead, all the power to them.
Self education and determination can carry you through the beginning. The true education begins after that. Gain experience through the climb!
Arno Says:
August 31st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

How does becoming familiar with falling play into this progression? Any takers? Arno
Scott Says:
September 1st, 2010 at 9:16 am

The sport lead classes that to get certified at gyms have always involved falling. It’s only been a single fall, never repeated falls. The single fall is helpful, but I don’t think it teaches the climber how to be comfortable or safe with falling. becoming familiar with falling, being comfortable with it, and being able to safely assess the risks of a fall allow a climber to push themselves harder because those consequences aren’t clouding their judgement. Familiarity with danger makes it more manageable and less panic inducing.

I know lots of trad leaders that follow the axiom that a leader doesn’t fall and refuse to do harder routes because they might fall. They’re also uncomfortable with the idea of falling on gear which I think over all limits their climbing.
Matt Says:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

I might be a little off topic since I’ve made the transition already but I do have a number of friends and fellow climbers at this point in their development so here’s my two cents:

One thing I see that seems to be difficult with this transition is accurately assessing the level of risk involved in particular routes, esp when getting started. Some folks will never lead, some a reluctant and other seem to be fearless – to the point of reckless. In NC, my home State, I don’t think there are a huge number of what many folks would consider easy+safely bolted sport climbs. I find this a bit frustrating as I see some new leaders climbing low grade but sparsely bolted routes perhaps without the proper respect for the risk – eg: easy 3 bolt pitches where a fall near a bolt would be unpleasant. This especially bothers me with the bolder new leaders. The regional guidebook doesn’t often indicate whether something should be regarded as mixed/supplemented with gear, so I think there can be a bit of a “when it doubt, run it out” culture underlying the climbing. I guess it’s the area ethic, but I end up with mixed feelings when I hear about someone’s new “success” climbing one of these lines as a first lead.

I’ve been leading trad for a little over 3 years now and I started out overprotecting everything and am slowly finding what I feel is the right amount of gear to feel like I’m climbing with a reasonable level of safety. Given that background, I am a bit nervous around folks who “sport” up the sparely bolted lines and then carry that approach to gear climbing and so, I try to politely suggest they sew it up a bit more, if the opportunity arises but I feel like the dominant area culture is a bit against me. Oh well, I guess everyone just has to make these decisions on their own, as I’ve done, and try to do so with an awareness of what they are doing.
Arno Says:
September 14th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

Hi Matt, Thanks for your comments and perspective. NC is a tough area to find appropriate routes for beginning leaders. They must be selective so they don’t just fall into a “run it out” situation. Perhaps selecting trad routes, like on Table Rock, that tend to pro up more and are easier than most areas is a great start.
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One point I think you’re leading us to is shifting from a sense of success by having made it up a route (that could have had disastrous consequences) to finding success by taking appropriate risks.
Arno
Eman Says:
September 15th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

Arno,

Great post. It’s interesting living in Asia where people seem to learn to climb and lead at the same time. When I was learning, I too learned to lead and climb at the same time. (Before sport routes) I say this because I see much less top-topping in the Asian climbing community. Just an observation, nothing more.

How does becoming familiar with falling play into this progression? Any takers? Arno

Falling and understanding when falling is safe and not safe free the climber to focus more on movement related to the climb. When i am afraid of falling, my climbing becomes sloppy, force, and contrived. When I am confident that falling is safe, I forget about the fall that might happen and concentrate on the moves instead of the possible fall.

The hard part is to accurately assess the risk of the fall while climbing. Sometimes, I perceive a fall as dangerous when in reality it’s not.
I do admit, some fall are dangerous, but not all.